Marlin 444

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Marlin 444

Postby mtngun » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:11 pm

The good news is that, unlike many other levergun cartridges, the 444 has a bona fide throat that steps down to groove diameter instead of an oversize funnel. However, the leade is only about 0.050" long, and a full diameter tangential ogive will not chamber. Never mind that such and such an LBT bullet will chamber, because there is no standardization for the LBT designs, and many commercially cast "LBT" bullets are not true LBT designs, anyway.

The leade angle appears to be 5° per side (or 10° total), a little steeper than ideal, but at least it has a leade.

Glen Fryxell's solution is an undersize ogive. The 0.425" diameter nose lightly engraves in a microgroove barrel.

I don't know if these designs are optimal for Winchesters and TC's.

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Instead of using the longest possible nose, Glen went with a 0.315" long nose because it feeds better.

I like the big body bands because they are easier to cut and easier to cast than itty bitty bands.

For load details, see http://www.leverguns.com/articles/fryxell/444marlin.htm

** Nice looking bullet. What is the overall length?
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** About 0.825", including the gas check.

** Thanks... interesting bullet mold. Love the 444!

** BTW, the bullet in the picture weighed 301.8 gr. cast from straight wheelweight.
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Re: Fryxell design for 444 microgroove

Postby mtngun » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:00 pm

Hello MM.

First I like to say that the 350 grs mold you made for my 444 Marlin this spring is perfect.
It drop the most wonderful bullets that you can think of.
My old microgroove marlin is very accurate with the bullets. [note: Olle drives the 350 grainers pretty fast. I believe his design uses a stepped nose instead of the Fryxell undersize nose]

I have taked one moose with the bullet and it was perfect.
I shoot at 45 yards and the bullet entered in the left shoulder and exited in front of the right "back bone".
The moose took two steps and went down.

Now to my question: can you make a 300 grs mold that drop bullets in the same shape as my 350 grainer for me, like the one you had on "typical designs"?

Have a nice day!
Olle
Sweden

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Re: Fryxell design for 444 microgroove

Postby mtngun » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:25 pm

Try this. You may want to modify the bore riding diameter. The bore riding section should be about 0.424" for microgroove barrels, or 0.420" for the new deep groove barrels, but use your own judgement.
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Re: Marlin 444

Postby mtngun » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:37 pm

email from Olle in Sweden:
Hi MM!
Yesterday I took a small bull with the 350 grs bullet.
The bullet entred at the last ribb and exited in front of the shoulder on the other side.
The shoot was taken at 110 -120 yards and the bull fell down at the place.
He tried to get up, but fell again.
He was ded when I got there.
This is the best bullet I ever fired from my rifle!
Still no camera, but a frien of my son has one, and he told me that i can borrow it.
I go hunt again on wednesday, so maby then!!!!!

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Re: Marlin 444

Postby mtngun » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:35 pm

From "Calle" in Sweden:

I got in contact with a man not far from my hometown through the Internet.

He recommended cast bullets.

I thougt why not. I´m always interested in trying new bullets and loads in my Marlin 444P.

He sent me a box of 50 350 gr cast bullets of your design.

November 19 I was out hunting moose as usual.

I live in a small village a few kilometres from Lycksele in the north of Sweden.

I had just let my dog loose when I heard him bark once.

About twenty seconds later I heard something coming through the forest towards me.

Suddenly two bulls? (male moose) came heading straight at me.

I shot the first one at about 30 meters and he fell to the ground as someone had cut of his legs.

The second one stopped about ten meters behind the first one so I shot him to.

Again it was like someone clubbed him to the ground.

The first moose was hit in the neck which might explain why he hit the ground so hard.

The second was hit behind the shoulders about 20-30 centimetres below the spine.

The bullet had penetrated the top of both lungs. I had to give him a final shot when he was lying.

I didn’t find any bullets. They went right through both animals.

I have never seen this result of a bullet before. Usually they always keep on moving a few meters or more. Not this time. They both fell to the ground at the same spot as where they were shot.

The wounds were very clean and we didn´t have to cut away any meat.

I can’t think of a better result and I don’t feel like using any other bullet anytime.

Earlier I have shot mooses with Remington, Hornady and Speer jacketed bullets, but not anymore.

Thank you and have a nice Christmas

Calle

Caliber: 444 Marlin
Bullet: 350 gr
Gjutblock: Mountainmold.
Gunpowder: Norma 201, 42,5 gr
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